tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post351180728287512401..comments2024-02-07T23:25:07.429-06:00Comments on Bell Beaker Blogger: The Year Ahead. 2015.bellbeakerbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-24490915373482730332015-02-13T18:49:29.699-06:002015-02-13T18:49:29.699-06:00I just saw my first reply. I meant "not full...I just saw my first reply. I meant "not full ancestry"<br /><br />Crap, I'm glad I saw that.bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-66943510514154937262015-02-13T18:46:49.744-06:002015-02-13T18:46:49.744-06:00I'll be updating my profile before long. If y...I'll be updating my profile before long. If you need to contact me my email is in the profile.bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-690267416857122112015-02-13T11:48:33.518-06:002015-02-13T11:48:33.518-06:00Who writes this blog?Who writes this blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-57923019512201062262015-01-06T11:11:56.580-06:002015-01-06T11:11:56.580-06:00One more vegetarianism point. In the Andalusian N...One more vegetarianism point. In the Andalusian Neothilic of S. Iberia, they grew plants, but for meat had only pigs and rabbits, possibly wild. Thus, the civilization that preceded Bell Beaker ate very little meat. Vegetarians could be a hold over from that culture.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-45637382471876781112015-01-05T22:10:52.943-06:002015-01-05T22:10:52.943-06:00The vegetarian percentage is also quite similar to...The vegetarian percentage is also quite similar to the amount of North African admixture in Iberians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moroccan_geneticsandrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-41330170724592699722015-01-05T05:35:13.297-06:002015-01-05T05:35:13.297-06:00"I'd like to know 'who' was a str..."I'd like to know 'who' was a strict vegetarian and why this avoidance."<br /><br />Did their vegetarianism include milk? That might create a strong selection pressure for LP if they were allowed milk but not meat and moved to a region with very low crop yields.<br /><br />Can Brahmin drink milk?<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-2942230911097144552015-01-03T17:40:08.201-06:002015-01-03T17:40:08.201-06:00That is doubtful. No R's or ANE in the neolith...That is doubtful. No R's or ANE in the neolithics from eastern Anatolia and the South Caucasus.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13876988480444711159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-19141563916223008082015-01-03T16:35:35.970-06:002015-01-03T16:35:35.970-06:00It is certainly intentional, especially to have ma...It is certainly intentional, especially to have made a lifestyle of it. Religious graves may be slightly over-represented though. It is intriguing to think of a permanent religious order.bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-28902999941551026082015-01-03T16:29:26.417-06:002015-01-03T16:29:26.417-06:00There is either strong disparity in the Berber pop...There is either strong disparity in the Berber population, the European population or both. It presents a bit of a problem because some Berbers and Western Europeans have strong genetic ties, but strong paternal disparity.<br /><br />It seems unlikely that the pre-historical European Y-chromosome was Berber-like, however maternally, there is a strong connection. Neither region was conquered by women, but the connection is more recent that not. It's a bit of a mystery.bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-90619177446975638652015-01-03T16:21:59.162-06:002015-01-03T16:21:59.162-06:00Un-crossed Bell Beaker and Corded Ware populations...Un-crossed Bell Beaker and Corded Ware populations will exhibit a great deal of genetic similarity because they belong to the same pastoral metapopulation that expanded from Northwest Iran or thereabouts around 5500 B.C.<br /><br />bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-76778067424508548362015-01-03T05:26:40.330-06:002015-01-03T05:26:40.330-06:00Refraining from eating beef or pork was a taboo of...Refraining from eating beef or pork was a taboo of ancient Egyptians and Berbers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_mythology So, these people could have been part of a North African minority population.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-41243163718934960042015-01-03T03:56:36.595-06:002015-01-03T03:56:36.595-06:00The Y-DNA study of 220 men in a Tunisian town is n...The Y-DNA study of 220 men in a Tunisian town is notable http://secher.bernard.free.fr/blog/index.php?post/2014/12/23/Analyse-g%C3%A9n%C3%A9tique-paternelle-de-la-ville-c%C3%B4ti%C3%A8re-de-Sousse%2C-Tunisie<br /><br />dominated by Berber and Arab and N.E. African haplotypes. Also, two DE*.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-30087054726663783772015-01-03T02:57:16.439-06:002015-01-03T02:57:16.439-06:00The vegetarian data point is intriguing. The perc...The vegetarian data point is intriguing. The percentages would be about right for a Brahmin priest-like caste obsessed with purity, and perhaps with preserving cows in a newly dairying society (and are also quite similar to the priestly Cohen percentages among Jews). <br /><br />Query if Bell Beaker social/religious influence could have impacted not only pre-IE Western and Northern Europe, but could also have been the source of vegetarianism in pre-IE Indus Valley Civilization which would have been roughly contemporaneous. <br /><br />The modern Hindu beef taboo and tendency to favor vegetarianism probably pre-dates the Indo-Aryans (and we know for sure that curry pre-dates the Indo-Aryans from archaeological evidence, and curry spices are notable because the smell savory without having actual meat).<br /><br />If pre-Bell Beaker people originate somewhere in West Asia, it only makes sense that there would be expansions in both directions. Alternately, vegetarianism by a priestly caste could be a Harappan influence on Bell Beaker which they carried further West.<br /><br />What would cause "thirty-someone year old man, strongly built, but with osteoporosis of the spine"? A vegan diet without adequate nutritional substitutes.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-72660318545137102762015-01-03T02:29:25.282-06:002015-01-03T02:29:25.282-06:00Sorry to rain on your parade again, but there is n...Sorry to rain on your parade again, but there is nothing African or West Asian about Bell Beaker. They are going to largely resemble NW Europeans. This is obvious from the plot that had them close to Corded Ware. There will be no Sub-Saharan outside of normal showing for an ancient genome, with some stuff outside of modern variation. Chadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10118937611048574688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-46887789815804731062015-01-03T01:01:38.789-06:002015-01-03T01:01:38.789-06:00The ones from Germany are probably full ancestry, ...The ones from Germany are probably full ancestry, not sure about the others.bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-74605931499189412732015-01-02T23:01:53.519-06:002015-01-02T23:01:53.519-06:00I hope someone is sampling a genome of an early Ne...I hope someone is sampling a genome of an early Neolithic Near eastern, and maybe a pre-farming Near eastern to. mtDNA results so far from the early Neolithic Near east are very unusual. <br /><br />"1. We should see some published DNA from Saxony-Anhalt, Portugal and the UK."<br /><br />"2. University College London's Beaker People Project/Sheffield's Beaker Isotopic Project is now putting pen to paper on the results of the isotopic and possibly some? genetic analysis conducted on 285 Bell Beaker individuals of the British Islands"<br /><br />Ancient DNA(not just mtDNA and Y DNA) from Portugal and the UK? <br /><br />I hope this year we get early bronze age genomes from Iberia, Britain(Ireland?), and Denmark, because we already have one from Hungary and several from Germany, and they both tell the same story(ANE was introduced to the west during the bronze age, and WHG rose). <br /><br />It looks like most Europeans descend from the same meta-populations who mixed in the bronze age, but at different ratios. Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.com