tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post7456358108325443839..comments2024-02-07T23:25:07.429-06:00Comments on Bell Beaker Blogger: Unetice Isotopes (Knipper et al, 2015) *Update*bellbeakerbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-20002129669893591032015-12-11T15:27:56.025-06:002015-12-11T15:27:56.025-06:00Yes
Thus far sampled Unetice belong to I2c, I2a2,...Yes <br />Thus far sampled Unetice belong to I2c, I2a2, and I22b-L161. <br />They each have different initial historiesRobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-62740538567716183332015-12-09T22:36:23.185-06:002015-12-09T22:36:23.185-06:00BB
I very much understand that the Unetice groups ...BB<br />I very much understand that the Unetice groups all belong to I2; but they in fact belong to very different subclades. That's why I asked you if you're at all familiar with I2 phylogeny <br /><br />But thanks for highlighting this paper Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-21324868327525677432015-12-08T22:33:39.992-06:002015-12-08T22:33:39.992-06:00@Rob,
There will always be some selection bias in...@Rob,<br /><br />There will always be some selection bias in the remains, but 3/3 Uneticians from two cemeteries have different male haplogroups than all of the Beakers to date from within the same region. Statistically significant IMO.<br /><br />There is probably no regional genetic change within the Western Unetice, but there's enough of an overlap to suggest at least some sort of minority immigrant group. I think this is what this study may be attempting to ascertain. I'll have to read this isotope paper tomorrow. (BTW, I'd be willing to bet looking at the authors that DNA was also taken along with isotopes. So this paper may be a prelude to another...)bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-44488323052371511052015-12-08T20:43:24.694-06:002015-12-08T20:43:24.694-06:00BB
Can u be specific about your hypotheses ?
Ther...BB<br />Can u be specific about your hypotheses ? <br />There are several different I2 clades - you do realize ?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-52455052356527808632015-12-08T20:42:56.377-06:002015-12-08T20:42:56.377-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-43454199529960988012015-12-08T19:02:08.797-06:002015-12-08T19:02:08.797-06:00One of the Yamnaya samples from Kalmykia was I2a, ...One of the Yamnaya samples from Kalmykia was I2a, and we don't yet have any samples from western Yamnaya.Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-59556912726753256382015-12-08T18:14:58.306-06:002015-12-08T18:14:58.306-06:00"Unetice stuff is earlier, advanced and alien..."Unetice stuff is earlier, advanced and alien to its western reaches, which somewhat jives IMO with the 'so-far' DNA (100% I2 Y-dna, as opposed to Bell Beaker 100% R1b)."<br /><br />This would also tend to suggest that at least on the Y-DNA side that Unetice was not pervasively influenced by the Steppe which is almost all R1a or R1b.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-10611149470772894992015-12-08T17:16:33.588-06:002015-12-08T17:16:33.588-06:00It'll be interesting when we find out of much ...It'll be interesting when we find out of much of modern I2 actually post-dates the LN within Germany.bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-59740392410040195252015-12-08T17:13:51.271-06:002015-12-08T17:13:51.271-06:00Sweet. Thanks,Sweet. Thanks,bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-54314624853833600302015-12-08T17:04:53.081-06:002015-12-08T17:04:53.081-06:00Y-DNA I2 would seem suggestive of proto-Germanic.Y-DNA I2 would seem suggestive of proto-Germanic.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-37386973034274261242015-12-08T16:42:21.141-06:002015-12-08T16:42:21.141-06:00Here you go...
https://www.researchgate.net/publi...Here you go...<br /><br />https://www.researchgate.net/publication/284038733_A_Distinct_Section_of_the_Early_Bronze_Age_Society_Stable_Isotope_Investigations_of_Burials_in_Settlement_Pits_and_Multiple_Inhumations_of_the_ntice_Culture_in_Central_GermanyDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.com