tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post7733397638010207723..comments2024-02-07T23:25:07.429-06:00Comments on Bell Beaker Blogger: African Origin of Bell Beaker Lithics (Part 1)bellbeakerbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-80447714501607905632014-10-21T22:51:39.182-05:002014-10-21T22:51:39.182-05:00I'll make some quick comments about the map ab...I'll make some quick comments about the map above. I wanted to keep the blog post short.<br /><br />You'll notice that pressure flaked hollow bases appear older (purer). This style migrates from the Altai (probably much older than the 5900 above) and then to the Euphrates region where it is applied to the very old and characteristically African Barb and Tang.<br /><br />Hollow base, bifacial pressure flaked arrowheads appears north of the Black Sea around 5,000 B.C. This is roughly around the emergence of the Sredny Stog and the so-called Kurgan group. Before this, impresso-ware, Megalithic people and hunter groups occupied this area. <br /><br />The 4000 B.C. date in Central Europe is an outlier. Not sure what this is, but probably involves copper.bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-57022753682081108722014-10-21T22:31:52.356-05:002014-10-21T22:31:52.356-05:00Pressure flaking probably roughly follows metallur...Pressure flaking probably roughly follows metallurgy in Chalcolithic Iberia, since in most cases a metal awl was used (although a hardened deer antler may suffice)<br /><br />Admittedly, 3200 is about 300-400 years before the earliest Beaker date. Pressure flaking appears with what may be Almerian influence in the late 4th millennium, however these arrowheads are long and slender. It's possible this early style came directly from the eastern Middle East along with other influences, but still remained a minority.<br /><br />Another possibility is that the very noteworthy appearance of L3F in SE Iberia reflects intrusion from the Southern Sahel. L3F has been linked, along with R1b-V88 with the spread of Chadic languages in Africa and is otherwise absent earlier in the Earlier Neolithic. If L3F women migrated to SE Iberia, they came with L3F men, who might have R1b-V88 (and other) who would have been pressure flakers on barbed projectiles. <br /> bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-4314691076657668062014-10-21T19:52:49.594-05:002014-10-21T19:52:49.594-05:00This seems to put all of the dates except the 2400...This seems to put all of the dates except the 2400 and 2500 dates well before any dates usually associated with Beaker which starts ca. 2700-3000 BCE in Iberia. Indeed, even those two dates could conceivably be pre-Beaker as Beaker takes a while to get that far North.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-63075106220761859072014-10-21T19:49:31.726-05:002014-10-21T19:49:31.726-05:00Thanks for the clarification.Thanks for the clarification.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-17912911546437195142014-10-20T20:46:37.931-05:002014-10-20T20:46:37.931-05:00The chart is BC. It's a little confusing but ...The chart is BC. It's a little confusing but the text helps clarify. I had to look a it a couple of times.<br /><br />bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-21744599809842016622014-10-20T18:16:09.271-05:002014-10-20T18:16:09.271-05:00Are the years on the chart BCE or BP?Are the years on the chart BCE or BP?andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.com