tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post7217004659195101819..comments2024-02-07T23:25:07.429-06:00Comments on Bell Beaker Blogger: Dublin Archaeology Hosts Fitzpatrick* Beaker Seminar (Updatedbellbeakerbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-81065756105844485822015-11-24T16:01:36.074-06:002015-11-24T16:01:36.074-06:00Do you know of a good isotpic map of Europe? I'...Do you know of a good isotpic map of Europe? I've been searching for a good map and only found global ones, for example: http://wateriso.utah.edu/waterisotopes/media/PDFs/Bowen_AREPS.pdf (fig 3). But it's not precise enough (although it does not seem to follow your W-E pattern but one much more complicated, depending not just on rain but also the salinity of the seas that rain comes from). Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-18118737118197311682015-11-24T14:59:28.294-06:002015-11-24T14:59:28.294-06:00Hi Maju,
The oxygen isotope analysis is more prec...Hi Maju, <br />The oxygen isotope analysis is more precise (at least as published in the book), with an origin between Scandinavia and Switzerland. Unlike strontium isotopes, the oxygen has an East-West trend. However, I have to say I have seen very little analytical justification for assuming that modern levels were the same as Neolithic ones, which is what we have to assume at present,<br />Thanks,<br />NickNick Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936982799680681315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-61432763654008610002015-11-07T12:24:00.025-06:002015-11-07T12:24:00.025-06:00Dyslexic moment I guess. Correcting now. Thanks!...Dyslexic moment I guess. Correcting now. Thanks!bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-68001116330745279112015-11-05T14:47:25.528-06:002015-11-05T14:47:25.528-06:00His name is Andrew Fitzpatrick. His name is Andrew Fitzpatrick. Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199139920477685196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-76387959848374055432015-11-01T15:26:05.623-06:002015-11-01T15:26:05.623-06:00Thank you. :)Thank you. :)Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-76452597888440216112015-11-01T13:47:34.041-06:002015-11-01T13:47:34.041-06:00I updated the post with Kirkpatrick's book. T...I updated the post with Kirkpatrick's book. The part where he discusses the isotopic evidence is in the free part.<br /><br />To your point, there was an older paper by Savory 1978 that argued for Mesetan or Portuguese influence in the Irish Channel, which kind of makes sense since this area seems to have been explored by Beakers earlier than other places in the Isles "Some Iberian Influences on the Copper Age Pottery of the Irish Channel Area"<br />dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/2691162.pdfbellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-63831585447762951342015-11-01T01:25:32.156-05:002015-11-01T01:25:32.156-05:00I had the vague idea that the isotopic analysis ga...I had the vague idea that the isotopic analysis gave more precise in its results, however it seems that the only thing that it can say is that the Amesbury Archer grew in a colder place than Wiltshire. That might be somewhere like Burgos, for example. OK, I know it is very counter-intuitive but in fact the Northern Iberian plateau is year-long slightly colder than Southern Britain for the simple reason that it is semi-continental climate and 700 m above sea level, sort of a mini-Tibet. <br /><br />Anyhow, I'm not positing any specific locality but, depending on the exact range of "colder" it could well be a wild array of places, naturally including mountain areas of all kind, not just the Alps but also Pyrenees and Cantabrian Mountains. And also highland plateaus like the North Iberian one. <br /><br />Some examples (yearly average low/high ºC):<br /><br />· Salisbury (ref.): 5.7/13.8<br />· Burgos: 4.8/10.7<br />· Soria: 4.9/11.0<br />· Andorra la Vella: 5.4/9.6<br />· Geneva: 6.2/10.5<br />· Bern: 4.3/8.8<br />· Zürich: 5.8/9.3<br />· Innsbruck: 4.0/8.5<br /><br />So Bern and Innsbruck are coldest but Burgos and Soria are close behind in this, obviously incomplete, list.<br /><br />"Beakers must have had peaceful relations with the natives, otherwise they wouldn't have had the mobilty and freedom to interact the way they did".<br /><br />That's quite obvious. <br /><br />It'd be nice if some of those British "Beaker people" would donate their DNA to science. Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.com