tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post8786519403969694465..comments2024-02-07T23:25:07.429-06:00Comments on Bell Beaker Blogger: Humanejos Heavy-Use Halberd (Garrido-Pena et al, 2022)bellbeakerbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-47246839744817812152022-06-24T14:00:46.700-05:002022-06-24T14:00:46.700-05:00Thanks Nick, great to have you,Thanks Nick, great to have you,bellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-21056265139926180762022-06-21T18:05:39.837-05:002022-06-21T18:05:39.837-05:00Bell's posts, but of course! I'm just a fa...Bell's posts, but of course! I'm just a fascinated lay reader. I'll just go back into silent mode. Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-2868609718414968362022-06-21T13:49:14.371-05:002022-06-21T13:49:14.371-05:00Or rather, there at least potentially was said tab...Or rather, there at least potentially was said taboo in the late neolithic. Perhaps the pragmatic beakers said "you guys are dumb" and wore armor and by the time people agreed and caught up it was too late? Either way, very interesting to see such a well loved halberd, see it in a burial, and see it with two Palmela points.Nick Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02476041512370629644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-34331578274335732582022-06-21T13:45:19.153-05:002022-06-21T13:45:19.153-05:00Good to see you back I missed your posts!!
Did th...Good to see you back I missed your posts!! <br />Did they have boilable leather back then? It was my understanding veg tan came Abt in the iron age and back in LN/EBA they would have had softer hides like smoke tan or brain tan. I think rawhide especially with hair and membrane left on would be more likely and still quite effective AND still very weak to halberds. I also think wood armor (at least cardiophylax of wood) is potentially something we even have evidence for. Woven rope armor perhaps could have existed but it doesn't show up ethnographically terribly often so I'm not sure how likely. I imagine your average person may have just worn a brain tanned moose hide or cow hide "war shirt" as appears many times convergently in cultures with similar tech and warfare styles. They are very effective at catching arrows (especially when not belted down. I have a lot more to say Abt this and a lot of evidence to go on but my point is I think you're very much on the right track with halberds being anti armor. they also would be incredibly effective defensively when held in front of you which is an angle many haven't considered yet. It can fight against spears well due to the huge hook and big surface area to defend with, but also is a short enough weapon to be used like a shillelagh in shorter range. It can decimate daggers (range), axe-hammers/clubs/axes/etc (speed), spears (defensive capacity and easy ability to close) and bows (I'm rich so I have armor.) <br /><br />I do however think that halberds are literally useless against someone with a shield due to the same surface area that makes them beneficial against spears. So far in my work w it I've found small round shields ridiculously effective against halberds and very little way around it. Worthy of note shields appear right as halberd disappear, 2000 BCE.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />My only caveat with armor is that warrior stelae in west and east alike depicted with full kit loadout are still usual naked (kernisovskiy, many french stelae) or just in clothes (sion, lunigiana stelae, many french stelae) so perhaps they had a cultural taboo in which armor was for pussies? Nick Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02476041512370629644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-59705137051068782962022-06-17T18:08:25.624-05:002022-06-17T18:08:25.624-05:00Great to "see" you back Bell. Missed rea...Great to "see" you back Bell. Missed reading your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-55138038676799863552022-06-17T17:37:27.713-05:002022-06-17T17:37:27.713-05:00Couldn't it have been the other way? Or maybe ...Couldn't it have been the other way? Or maybe two way traffic? Or from a third source or sources? Or something more complex that is not yet known? You always discount thinking about other possibilities way too quickly and are way too certain about your own ideas. It's not bad to present a theory but it's never a good idea to jump to conclusions or to be so obsessed that you don't properly consider other possibilities. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-90769361410801156572022-06-14T12:43:07.984-05:002022-06-14T12:43:07.984-05:00Thanks, glad to be backThanks, glad to be backbellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-27082448366722233412022-06-14T12:03:00.149-05:002022-06-14T12:03:00.149-05:00I'm glad you're back.
I told you the hal...I'm glad you're back. <br /><br />I told you the halberds of Humanejos and Hungary are one more proof of the Iberian migrations to the eastern domain of the BBs (as well as the horse with Iberian blood and some mitochondrial markers).Gaskahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01148386437983033079noreply@blogger.com