tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post8914646480567141935..comments2024-02-07T23:25:07.429-06:00Comments on Bell Beaker Blogger: Samborzec Beakers from Małopolska, Poland (Olalde et al, 2017)bellbeakerbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-63703211273698068122017-07-03T23:34:09.100-05:002017-07-03T23:34:09.100-05:00Maybe local wives indicate that the Beakers were i...Maybe local wives indicate that the Beakers were invited in. I wouldn't think the Beakers would have cared how steppes their local wives DNA were. But if the Beaker network had it's own language, then we might be looking at bi-lingual families, especially this far east. I don't think the archaeology supports a strong cultural network in Corded Ware. Not much that would necessitate a common language between them. The opposite seems true for the Beaker folk. We might expect that the Beakers were carrying, along with all their other cultural innovations, a language with them. Somewhere on this eastern edge, that universal Beaker language might have caused bi-lingualism. And a substrate like the one that often been mentioned in connection with German.LivoniaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589404219598229067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-75787926057960434522017-07-03T11:42:10.859-05:002017-07-03T11:42:10.859-05:00I'm pretty sure the metrics indicated locals, ...I'm pretty sure the metrics indicated locals, although I don't recall if a certain culture was implicated. These four will likely be high priority in future studiesbellbeakerbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01848982163843593127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6886680068187530519.post-35548830745284365532017-07-03T09:42:28.363-05:002017-07-03T09:42:28.363-05:00You wrote in this post:
“within this Upper Vistula...You wrote in this post:<br />“within this Upper Vistula Beaker community there are at least four local Neolithic women that married Beakers based on their hereditary characteristics”<br /><br />I saw the summary of mtDNA from the South Caucasus on Davidski’s site and his conclusion that “it's pretty clear that the sampled ancient groups could not have contributed maternal ancestry to the Yamnaya people.” <br /><br />Your mention of “local Neolithic women” reminded me again that at least half the question of early Indo-European languages -- and how the Beaker culture was involved -- is about women.<br /><br />Were these “local Neolithic” women from an earlier EEF population? Or Corded Ware? Or both? Would these marriages mean language change?<br /><br />Could it be that women were driving the spread of the Beaker culture? Could it be that they were inviting in this innovation? <br /><br />If women were the core of settlement and food production from the Neolithic to the Bronze Age in Europe, then maybe they were also the ones transforming it, by the husbands they chose.<br /><br />If you were looking for maternal ancestry for Yamanaya, I suspect you might not look to the Caucasus, but to a culture like Cucuteni-Trypillia, mothers and wives that could deliver a pretty good level of economic punch. (The trouble may be that Cucuteni did not bury many of their dead, so we don’t have a good idea of what the aDNA says.)<br /><br />If you were looking for personnel who knew how to harvest the barley for making good bread and beer, I imagine you might go looking for a wife who knew how to manage that.<br /><br />Either way, it changes your perspective on what language the kids would speak.<br /><br />A interesting quote from the Bible might remind us that linguists say children learn natural language “on their mother’s knee” -- not their father’s.<br /><br />“In those days also I saw Jews who had married women of Ashdod, Ammon, and Moab; and their children spoke the language of Ashdod, and they could not speak the language of Judah, but spoke the language of various peoples.” Nehemiah 13:23LivoniaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589404219598229067noreply@blogger.com